![]() He could have been a regular human as early as ~1200. My best guess, so far, is he died before 1366. The years are not even going to be in the 1800’s. There’s a darn good reason why we can see the days and months but not the years. Which brings us to Cedric’s birth and death dates. The reaper records of births and deaths are likely to be true. ![]() Vincent was born in 1851 and died in 1885, at the age of 34. Undertaker became a reaper a long time ago, probably a few (maybe even several) hundred years ago. And there’s no rational Undertaker = Vincent theory. ![]() I’ve never heard or read anyone claiming that the reapers shown in ch105 were anyone other than Eric Slingby and Alan Humphries. It does, however, show who the biological parents are, even if they never married each other. It doesn’t actually show who is married to whom, unless the married couple is also the biological parents of the children. It only shows the direct lines (so Frances isn’t shown there, even though we know she’s Vincent’s full sibling Yana-san confirmed this in a tweet years ago). I don’t know why people get so confused looking at the Phantomhive family tree. This continued the Phantomhive name and, if their father is more than human, perhaps these kids would be “stronger” (in some way) than the previous generations. The children got her surname instead of their father’s. But she had children by a man she probably never married. Perhaps Queen Victoria even hoped the Phantomhive name would die with her. She was born into the Phantomhive family and was probably expected to keep that name, thanks to her watchdog duties. I’ve never said Cedric was Cloudia/Claudia’s husband, in fact I’ve said several times that I don’t think she married. It wasn’t until the attack on Phantomhive Manor that he started making the really advanced “dolls”, like real Ciel, Polaris, etc. He said it started out as mere curiosity about humans, life, and death. And there’s reason to believe his initial experiments with corpses and cinematic records started around that time, roughly 70 years ago. She didn’t have Vincent until she was 21, and she died in 1866 at the age of 36.īesides, he tried to destroy the reaper organization’s HQ around 20 years earlier than 50 years ago, which would put that event at about 1819. And she didn’t fall in love with some weird dude when she was 9. Unless Undertaker turns out to be an unforgivable pedophile, he didn’t fall in love with a 9 year old girl. You think he might have fallen in love with Cloudia/Claudia 50 years prior to the current time? It’s 1889 now, so 50 years ago was 1839. That’s why it’s also linked in my pinned post.īut I will address a few specific things you mentioned. I strongly suggest that anyone who wants to ask me theory questions checks out that tagging masterpost. You can also just use this link to the Tagging Masterpost and click the link for Undertaker’s identity. Use the tags below to find the vast majority of those posts. I’ve blogged about it countless times, including reblogs of others who provided good evidence to support it. Please see my posts about Undertaker likely being Cedric. Thank you very much for the answer, your blog (again!) and all the work you do for it every time! (And sorry for the long ask □) So, my question finally □ is that I wanted to know YOUR points to support the Undertaker/Vincent theory. At some point even, the theory is supported because of some guy holding a bloody/dead Vincent-looking man in his arms (Volume 22, Chapter 105, page 11), however it was proven that these two people were actually Alan Humphries and Eric Slingby, two original shinigami that Yana-san created for the musical Kuroshitsuji: The most beautiful DEATH in the world and who became canon in the manga. I must confess that I was never really into this theory as I rather consider the reason Undertaker is so enamoured by the Phantomhives is because 50 years ago, he fell in love with Claudia (and perhaps she loved him back) but unable to save her from death, he became obsessed with reviving dead people.īut anyway, after reading your post I was pretty puzzled and searched around to see what things could point into the direction of "Undertaker is Vincent", but couldn't find anything particularly convincing. Ros-(?) who was Cloudia/Claudia's husband (and Vincent's father etc.). Then, I recently read your post about the similarity between the Earl Cain series and Black Butler and so I saw that you (more or less) support the theory that Undertaker could be Cedric K. To begin with, I wanted to thank you for this fantastic blog of yours, I LOVE it, your posts are always awesome (especially when it comes to Kuroshitsuji) and interesting, and your theories often echo mines! □
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